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Posted - 2007.08.27 02:57:00 -
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I was rather disappointed by AVP myself being a huge fan of aliens and predators. But I kinda saw it coming due to alien 3 and resurrection.
My biggest issue with AVP was how fast the first 2 predators died and only one of them thought to acid proof his weapons. That and cobwebs in a temple that's been buried under the ice in the antarctic for thousands of years.
It'd be nice to see a better sequel but I'm not giving up my hopes. Will still go watch it in theatres though.
And Constatine was awesome.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: DarknessInc
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I was rather disappointed by AVP myself being a huge fan of aliens and predators. But I kinda saw it coming due to alien 3 and resurrection.
My biggest issue with AVP was how fast the first 2 predators died and only one of them thought to acid proof his weapons. That and cobwebs in a temple that's been buried under the ice in the antarctic for thousands of years.
It'd be nice to see a better sequel but I'm not giving up my hopes. Will still go watch it in theatres though.
And Constatine was awesome.
Well also with the predators there were horrible inaccuracies. The first two predators were Unblooded, meaning they werent skilled at the hunt.
But the helmets were too easy punched through my the Xenomorphs inner jaws. Their helmets should have withstood a few punches from the inner jaws before *****ing and giving way, but the makers of the film decided to let them be so flimsy that one bite pierced through. Ironic how a bullet can ping off the Hunters helmet but a Xenomorph inner jaw attack punches right through.
and the older Predator which acid proofed his weapons was blooded and was there to Oversee the Blooding hunt, so that the unblooded ones wouldnt cheat and would hunt with Honor.
:P and yes, I know a lil too much about Predators and Aliens
I definitly don't know as much of the lore as you but I could swear in the movie they explained the history as that only the chosen predators who have proved themselves in the hunt are allowed to undergo this trial of hunting the ultimate prey. Even the last predator still marked his helmet and himself after he made that kill.
To me it was just lame that the alien managed to get 2 kills in right off the bat. I can see the first kill because the predators were distracted but not the second. Predators are more skillful than that.
oh and I don't know if anyone remembers this but this actually isn't the first time Aliens and predators met. If you watch predator 2 when Danny Glubber is on the predator ship he goes and looks at the trophies, you actually can see a alien skull there.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill Theres was one highlight in the movie though, the scene where the predator picks up an alien by the tail and slapps him around.
That whole fight scene was pretty cool. I love how he just body tackles the alien then grabs him by the tail and continues to give the alien some massive brain damage.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Hudson
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: DarknessInc
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I was rather disappointed by AVP myself being a huge fan of aliens and predators. But I kinda saw it coming due to alien 3 and resurrection.
My biggest issue with AVP was how fast the first 2 predators died and only one of them thought to acid proof his weapons. That and cobwebs in a temple that's been buried under the ice in the antarctic for thousands of years.
It'd be nice to see a better sequel but I'm not giving up my hopes. Will still go watch it in theatres though.
And Constatine was awesome.
Well also with the predators there were horrible inaccuracies. The first two predators were Unblooded, meaning they werent skilled at the hunt.
But the helmets were too easy punched through my the Xenomorphs inner jaws. Their helmets should have withstood a few punches from the inner jaws before *****ing and giving way, but the makers of the film decided to let them be so flimsy that one bite pierced through. Ironic how a bullet can ping off the Hunters helmet but a Xenomorph inner jaw attack punches right through.
and the older Predator which acid proofed his weapons was blooded and was there to Oversee the Blooding hunt, so that the unblooded ones wouldnt cheat and would hunt with Honor.
:P and yes, I know a lil too much about Predators and Aliens
I definitly don't know as much of the lore as you but I could swear in the movie they explained the history as that only the chosen predators who have proved themselves in the hunt are allowed to undergo this trial of hunting the ultimate prey. Even the last predator still marked his helmet and himself after he made that kill.
To me it was just lame that the alien managed to get 2 kills in right off the bat. I can see the first kill because the predators were distracted but not the second. Predators are more skillful than that.
oh and I don't know if anyone remembers this but this actually isn't the first time Aliens and predators met. If you watch predator 2 when Danny Glubber is on the predator ship he goes and looks at the trophies, you actually can see a alien skull there.
My knowledge is a little hazy but through backstory i think aliens are actually something the predators hunt all the time or maybe i just misread what u wrote.
Well theres a couple of backstories. I don't know much about the comic books, that's my brothers department. In AVP however the backstory I got when that guy was translating the walls was that the predators found the human race in it's caveman period. They taught us how to build pyramids and in turn we viewed them as gods.
They brought the queen to earth and every 100 years they would come back to earth with a group of proven hunters to test their might against the ultimate prey. Should they survive they were deemed the champions of their race but should they fail they made sure nothing lived. They used humans for sacrificial lambs to make the ultimate prey.
An example is at the end when you see the grand poomba standing over whats-her-face and she see's that he bears the marking of the great hunt on his helmet.
Now in alien history theres several different histories that you can look at. In the original Alien movie the crew enters a alien ship and finds the eggs. You also see whats left of another alien species. One history defines that this alien race engineered Aliens to be the ultimate weapon (toughened exosteleton, acid for blood, being able to breed from any host...) but their 'weapon' kinda backfired on them. In another history this other alien race was actually fighting the aliens and this particular ship was infected at some point in time and crash landed on LV-426.
Thats just what I got from watching the movies (some of the alien stuff I got from a book)
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Posted - 2007.08.27 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Kuki Looks alot better than the first one at least... bits in the trailer reminded me of aliens actually, still the best one yet, best action movie ever really 
Yeah, you can't beat Aliens. That one had awesome from start to finish. That's it! Game over man, game over!
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Posted - 2007.08.29 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 29/08/2007 21:34:53
Originally by: Ararius Theres one thing that this needs to be complete
SOme guy freaking out and yelling "GAME OVER MAANN GAME OVER!!!!!!!"
Already beat you to it.
In fact I'll one up it
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Posted - 2007.08.30 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Death Kill Its directed by the jerk who did poseidon and constantine 
This movie is gonna suck ass from a straw.
Are you saying Constantine was bad?
No it was horrible, it sucked goat cheese balls without dip. Casting was horrible for John Constantine, Ewan McGregor was a given as the blond english chainsmoking nihilist, not the exotic dark hawaiin bimbo they did cast. Anyone that read and enjoyed Hellblazer surely must've felt like they were butchering the whole series by adding all the plots into one movie as mere footnotes when they, with a talented director easily could've been turned into a worthwhile series of movies about the occult.
heh, personally I thought it was awesome. The comic books are my brothers department although it wouldn't change my mind either way. I've read books and watched movies before and liked them both ways.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill Because of this thread I had to see AVP again.
Its amazing how the facehuggers manage to plant an egg in a human, and the egg transforms itself into a fullgrown alien all within 24 hours.
Paul WS Anderson has to be one of the worst directors outthere together with Uwe Boll. Everything they touch turns into poo.
Eh, That's how fast they really do form. The facehugger stays attached for a few hours. Within about 10 hours the chestburster comes out and starts eating any material nearby wether it is organic or inorganic. Within 24 hours it becomes a full grown male. If there is no queen within the area then the males can actually plant a queen egg.
Unfortunatly in AVP it seemed like the aliens grew up in about 20 minutes time instead of the 24 hours cause it seemed like the crew was inside of the temple for maybe 2 hours.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: DarknessInc
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Death Kill Because of this thread I had to see AVP again.
Its amazing how the facehuggers manage to plant an egg in a human, and the egg transforms itself into a fullgrown alien all within 24 hours.
Paul WS Anderson has to be one of the worst directors outthere together with Uwe Boll. Everything they touch turns into poo.
Eh, That's how fast they really do form. The facehugger stays attached for a few hours. Within about 10 hours the chestburster comes out and starts eating any material nearby wether it is organic or inorganic. Within 24 hours it becomes a full grown male. If there is no queen within the area then the males can actually plant a queen egg.
Unfortunatly in AVP it seemed like the aliens grew up in about 20 minutes time instead of the 24 hours cause it seemed like the crew was inside of the temple for maybe 2 hours.
Actually the drones that burst out cannot construct an Egg, as thats the duty of the queen, as only she can have an eggsack to produce eggs.
Usually only a Royal Egg can release a Royal Chestburster, which will infect a host with the Queen chestburter. That Chestburster has the potential to start a new hive, as it will grow into a full queen.
In hives there are Mini Queens, which are basically like officers. Praetorians. Because of the presence of the Queens, the Praetorians are her Royal Guard, though the Queen is also protected by Warrior class xenomorphs aswell, which are bulkier and more dangerous than the drones, which are faced in the first Alien, Aliens and Aliens Ressurection.
Scout type Xenomorphs, which are encountered in Aliens 3, are spawned from more nimble hosts, and are the source of the Hive finding hosts and food outside the immediate area of the Hive. But in Aliens, you can see the Warriors in the Hive when Ripley goes down to save Newt. The Queen warns them off as Ripley threatens the Eggs with the Torch.
But back to Praetorians. When a Hive grows large enough, a few Praetorians will leave the Hive with a few drones, and will travel a great distance away from their Original Hive to start a new one. Sometimes the Praetorians fight each other for NEW hive locations, but once they settle down into a new location, the drones will dig and resin the walls in prepartion for the Queens egg chamber, and after that the Praetorian will go through the growth cycle to become a full fledged Queen, who then begins to produce eggs. Drones will then expand the hive as others explore outside in the vicinity of the new hive for hosts, drag them into the Hive and have them infected for More drones, or more Warriors.
The new hive will not breed Praetorians as it is small, but once it grows to a nominal size, Praetorian eggs will be birthed in prepartion for another expansion on another part of the planet.
Life cycle of the Alien
*The facehugger can change sex if there is no queen (hugger) nearby. The Queen carries the Q hugger with her with her smallest pair of arms. When the Queen dies, the Q facehugger leaps off and hibernates until a host walks by. The Q hugger will produce a Queen. You can recognize a Q hugger by it's higher ridges and spikes at the base of the tail.
Now I read in a book I had long ago that the drones are capable of laying eggs if there is no queen present but the eggs are inferior to the queens and they only serve the purpose of making a queen if one is not present. Unfortunatly through all my efforts to keep this book around it eventually crumble and was destroyed and I've been on a mission for almost a decade to find another copy of it. I know the company that published it (they also did alot of stuff on Terminator) went out of business when I was like 8.
What we're seeing here is multiple publications from different authors on the lifestyles of a made up species.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: DarknessInc
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*The facehugger can change sex if there is no queen (hugger) nearby. The Queen carries the Q hugger with her with her smallest pair of arms. When the Queen dies, the Q facehugger leaps off and hibernates until a host walks by. The Q hugger will produce a Queen. You can recognize a Q hugger by it's higher ridges and spikes at the base of the tail.
Okay. If you look at how much the Hybrid Predalien can kill and defend against. Imagine what kind of abomination would be spawned if the Queen Hugger infected a Yautja warrior instead of a normal drone egg. Royal Predalien. Hybrid Queen. :)
Kinda makes you wonder where the facehuggers come from 
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Posted - 2007.08.31 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian dudes... Ive seen the trailer.
It looks like they are gonna make AVP into a gorno movie. I mean... a predator with some kind of uber whip that cuts an alien in half.....
Its like indiana predator.....
I promise you this movie is gonna SUCK.
Not much different from the Frisbee of Doom or the Retractable armor piercing rocket assisted blade staff. Or the rectractable electrical net that can break metal.
Personally I think the whip is kinda cool. And if what these guys are saying with there only being one predator, well, it looks like he's just going to town with everything in sight which is how a predator should be, instead of a couple getting owned by one alien when even a group of marines could take aliens out by the dozens.
Personally I'm gonna wait until it comes out to decide if it sucks or doesn't suck instead of being a doomsayer of old.
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